Winn always made my skin crawl!
Shut up, Wesley
Wesley is the #1 spot and also deserves it
I’ve said for years that we need one more episode of Celebrity Death match. Kai Winn vs Delores Umbridge.
I think Umbridge wins for me. Torturing kids feels worse than Kai Winn’s power grabbing machinations.
Yes but she was meant to be hated the other characters were just annoying characters but she was actually meant to be a bad guy.
I also love the idea that Getty images somehow has a copyright on the picture. How can they possibly have copyright they didn’t take the picture it’s a screenshot from a TV series.
Clearly whoever made this hasn’t watched star trek discovery yet.
Tilly?
It’s clearly Neelix.
Yeah, early Neelix is the reigning champ. He may be slightly less so if he had just kept his original outfit from ep 1 instead of his technicolor seizure suit.
People hated Wesley more than they hated Pulaski.
I always liked Wesley
It wasn’t the actor’s fault, he was given absolutely nothing to work with. Every time I’ve seen him in anything subsequently he’s been a likable character and a good actor.
I really don’t know why his character was on the show the writers clearly didn’t have anything for him to do.
all us kids did, i think
At least she called out her husband who cut bonuses
Come on, Pulaski wasn’t that bad. She even had a decent character arc to become likeable. Winn though… yeah we hate her.
My child…
Noooooooooooooo~
Pulaski was a better Doctor on her worst day than Beverly ever could be.
The problem with Pulaski was that she was just McCoy with a vagina
In fail to see the problem!
I think we could have done a bit better than copy/paste and gender swap. She never got a chance to develop into her own unique character.
Pulaski had more development in a season than Crusher had in the series. When Pulaski was in a scene her presence was felt and affected the scene. When Crusher was in a scene she was just there as well, (unless the episode was specifically focused on her).
Yeah she had character and was interesting. Crusher had hot redhead. I liked Crusher but would have preferred Pulaski stick around.
She was one of the only characters to have true growth. I loved her. Plus, Diana Muldaur is awesome. Still with us at 86!
Are you saying Winn didn’t have character arc?
She had the biggest arc in startrek and it was masterfully acted…
I have nothing against her actress. She played wonderfully. I really loved to hate her character. This overzealous and overtly jealous priest.
When Louise Fletcher, who played Kai Winn, won the Oscar for the equally-horrific and hateable Nurse Ratched in One Flew Over the Cuckoo’s Nest, she started her acceptance speech like this:
Well, it looks like you all hated me so much that you’ve given me this award for it, and I’m loving every minute of it. And all I can say is I’ve loved being hated by you.
Clearly she enjoyed playing evil people and is very good at it. And, like most actors who get regularly cast as evil, she’s apparently a sweetheart in real life.
From disliked to loathed is still growth.
Yeah, but there was that little moment in between where you almost felt sorry for her, before the ultimate “nah, she is still piece of shit…”
Same with Dukat. They really hit it out of the park in DS9 with characters in general.
Except Jadzia Dax, they did her so dirty.
with every rewatch of TNG, i come to appreciate Pulaski more and more. her exchanges with Moriarty, in particular, make for an enjoyable watch.
She even had a decent character arc to become likeable.
Her whole arc was supposed to explore the idea of a kind-of rational and legitimate hatred, then see where it led.
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Time and again, her bigotry caused new injury to herself and to others. But then this was held in contrast to Ed Mercer’s persistent failed efforts to extend an olive branch to rival alien races who were unable to divest of their own bigotries.
That’s what made the latest season of Orville so fucking good.
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The whole season is about trying to build a coalition between the liberal Planetary Union and the fascist Chak’tal and ultra-conservative Moclan. But, in the end, their commitment to their own moral compass paves a way for an unexpected alliance with the Kaylon that yields far more fruit than any kind of strategic military compromise with the corrupt governments of the Chak’tal or Moclan.
It wasn’t just that she became likeable. Its that the guiding principles of the Planetary Union usher the crew towards a better galaxy, even when that path isn’t immediately clear from the outset.
While I like your analysis, the comment you’re responding to was referring to Pulaski’s arc, not Charlie’s.
Ah, damn. Well, nevermind then.
It was a great analysis though:)
The Elders tell me Pulaski was supposed to be “unlikable” but in a gruff, McCoy dammit-i’m-a-doctor kind of way.
But the fact that that wasn’t possible to do (and wouldn’t have worked if it was) apparently didn’t stop them from trying.
The sophomore slump hits everybody.
I think they were trying to build a Pulaski-Data relationship that mirrored the McCoy-Spock relationship, where McCoy would say something shockingly racist like calling Spock a green-blooded hobgoblin, but then Spock would insult him right back and it was all in good fun so it was “okay.” The problem was that Data wasn’t able to give as good as he got, so it came across as Pulaski bullying the sweet autistic kid, which did not work as well as McCoy-Spock.
Agreed! And something that could have been worked out in the writer’s room before they committed. Eh. It’s fine. They backed off of that intended relationship after a very short amount of time and gave her another vibe.
Yeah, but you’re supposed to dislike Winn, she’s the villain. Her acting was perfect for the role.
Good villains make you want to crawl in through the screen and punch them, and boy is Kai Winn a punchable character.
Ironically, I have never wanted to punch Q, but Sisko punched him and never Winn.
I always got the impression that everything Q did was simply irritating. Winn made decisions that actively risked people’s lives because she was looking for career advancement. She was actually a threat.
Also they kind of knew that Q wouldn’t actually allow anyone to get hurt because he probably wasn’t allowed to.
Q is charming. Winn has zero charisma.
Personally I absolutely love Winn … because I hate her character so much.
As soon as I see her in an episode I know I’m gonna enjoy it because she’ll leave a lasting memory for me as to why I dislike her so much. Louise Fletcher is such a beautiful actress because she makes you forget you’re watching a TV show and makes you absolutely want to step into an air lock and blast yourself out into the vacuum of space just to leave her presence.
I hate Janeway, and the main reason is because whether or not she has any respect for the Prime Directive depends solely on “Will obeying this get my crew back home?”
If no, then yes If yes, then no
So you’re saying, her prime directive was getting her crew home safely?
I love Janeway to death, it’s just that she was put into the unenviable position of making tough choices for the needs of the many… or the brew.
I don’t recognize her. What show?
Keiko. Both TNG & DS9. Miles O’Brien’s wife.
Wait, people would seriously put her as ‘most annoying’ on TNG or DS9? Next to Wesley and Winn?!
Yes. Her back story is of a smart, driven scientist. Her DS9 portrayal is of a nagging wife. It’s one of the few character writing misses on the show.
“Yes”
Don’t get me started with this guy and his fake British accent
I think you mean his fake whistle-playing hands.
Dukat has entered the chat
He’s hated. But in a way that makes you want to see more of him.
Bester was so damn good. Babylon 5 made me realise that Trek kind of squandered his acting talent a bit by making him a goofy Russian comic relief character.
The worst part about Bester is that sometimes…he was right.
Maybe I’m alone on this, but I found a lot of the story lines with Neelix from Voyager to be hard to watch.
If they’d only stopped making him so damned childish.
Ever seen Avenue5? Spike was what Neelix shoulda been and it’s hilarious.
I have never seen Avenue 5, but as an old Buffy the Vampire Slayer fan I suddenly saw a foul-mouthed English bad boy Neelix in my head and it was hilarious 😂
Actually, I wish they’d made his girlfriend a little less, ah, childish.
I found most of Voyager to be too cringy to watch.
It was just such a weird vibe, like they targeted it for kids who liked trek, and ultra-horny neckbeards at the exact same time.
The hormones didn’t come in until seven of nine in the way late seasons. And she’s no different than Troi, except more useful on the ship.
Are you forgetting the leotard stretching scene…? Or almost anything Troi wore in the early seasons?
