• Dasus@lemmy.world
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    19 hours ago

    You’re seriously saying “they deserve the ‘eye-for-an-eye’ treatment” while Israel is actively escalating the conflict?

    I have never defended genociders

    Oh okay. So where have I done that? In assuming that 3000 civilians who were harmed weren’t exclusively Hezbollah? Which would be an utterly ridiculous claim seeing how many literal children there are involved.

    So… you’ve never defended genociders. Then let’s see if you will. Is Israel committing a genocide in Gaza?

    You think only military personnel were killed in WW2?

    I’ve actually been in the military and have had training on what is and isn’t legal to do in armed conflict. Have you?

    https://ihl-databases.icrc.org/en/customary-ihl/v1/rule12

    Rule 12. Definition of Indiscriminate Attacks

    Rule 12. Indiscriminate attacks are those: (a) which are not directed at a specific military objective;

    (b) which employ a method or means of combat which cannot be directed at a specific military objective; or

    © which employ a method or means of combat the effects of which cannot be limited as required by international humanitarian law; and consequently, in each such case, are of a nature to strike military objectives and civilians or civilian objects without distinction.

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      7 hours ago

      Which country’s military? Because I’m more than willing to bet your country has killed innocents too, even if by accident. Depending on the country, like the USA, deliberately killing them too. Congratulations on choosing to actively participating in that horridness I suppose.

      Is Israel committing a genocide in Gaza?

      I see you weren’t the reading comprehension guy in the military. But since you need it directly spelled out for your crayon eating ass to understand - yes, the Israeli government is committing genocide. You know who else is trying their hand at Genocide? Hezbollah.

      But hey, while we have ‘holier than thou’ ex-military on the line, how about a bit of a trolley problem for you:

      If you could dispose of Netanyahu along with the top heads of his genocidal campaign, at the cost of 10 children, would you? And just to make it even easier on you, let’s add that doing so will end Israel’s current war and genocide campaign too.

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        4 hours ago

        Which country’s military? Because I’m more than willing to bet your country has killed innocents too, even if by accident

        Finland. Go ahead and dig dirt. We have such a cruel and bloody history and we never do what we say or listen to laws. /S

        I see you weren’t the reading comprehension guy in the military. But since you need it directly spelled out for your crayon eating ass to understand - yes, the Israeli government is committing genocide

        You don’t seem to understand what reading comprehension is, nor understand the existence of people who absolutely refuse to admit to Israel’s warcrimes. Like the war crime they committed with this indiscriminate bombing, which can’t be limited as international law requires.

        International law is international law. And Israel is breaking it.

        Edit oh and I’m not **ex-**military until I’m 60. Also, I was the company’s quartermaster, which very much is a reading job for the most part.

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          Finland. Go ahead and dig dirt. We have such a cruel and bloody history and we never do what we say or listen to laws.

          Finnish Civil war of 1918. No country is without sin. That’s not even getting into the Jaeger unit issues that existed in WW2 and the soldiers who kept working and then later joined the Nazis even afterwards.

          Btw, why didn’t you answer the trolley problem, coward? Because those are the kind of situations that can arise in conflict.

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            “No country is without sin” *mentions a civil war*

            Wow, yeah, having struggled for our independence more than 100 years ago is what you’re going with with this whataboutism, when we’re discussing WAR CRIMES?

            Wow what a great argument, definitely showed me my place, yeah. /S

            Why didn’t I answer your garbage attempt at rhetoric? Because you’re ignoring actual international law to defend Israel’s despicable attack on civilians. Something my country has NEVER done.

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              War is war, civil or not. I also mentioned WW2 since Finland did ally with the Nazis.

              No, I’m giving you a moral dilemma to show you your own hypocrisy. Injuring thousands of Hezbollah members will save lives too - these are the people firing missiles at civilians as well (unless you’re saying every Israeli is guilty, in which that says a lot more about how ducked up you are if true).

              Hence I gave you a similar scenario. Because if the tables were turned - if someone managed to explode Netanyahu and co’s phones and kill him, you’d probably be cheering even if children died, because it would mean a genocidal war would be halted.

              You prefer the few rather than the greater good. And that always leads to more death rather than less. And quite frankly, makes you a shit military member to boot. Because it means if Russia did attack Finland, you’d prefer Putin alive if the opening for taking him out would kill a few innocents - even though letting him live would mean many more dying.

              None of this exonerates Israel btw - an evil accidentally doing a net good doesn’t stop that evil from being evil. But Hezbollah taking such a heavy hit with very few bystander casualties is a best case scenario, because the alternative - doing nothing - would have eventually led to more deaths.