Wait, you think Israel is the aggressor?

You’re aware that the UN voted to create Israel from the rubble of the Ottoman empire, and 5 neighboring countries disagreed and violently invaded them literally the day after they declared independence right?

Some of those same countries (and others now) are still supporting the Palestinians with money and weapons to continue to attack Israel.

You must not have scrolled down far enough, there’s one that’s been going on for 20+ years in Sudan. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sudanese_civil_war_(2023–present)

The forcibly separated kids one isn’t even listed there, because China has done everything it can to scrub it from public knowledge, it’s linked to an older one in there though. The Uyghurs. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Uyghurs_in_China

I’m happy to argue the merits here, the same as I did in the Vance thread. I haven’t changed my mind on it.

Currently your country (and mine) have disenfranchised a massive group of citizens, anyone under 18.

You seem to think this is right. Why is it okay to disenfranchise any citizen in a democracy?

Hitler disenfranchised an entire group of people, and that was clearly a bad policy.

Trump likes McDonalds, I like McDonalds, that doesn’t make me a Trump supporter either. So why do you think that I’m a Vance supporter for agreeing with him on one thing?

Yes it does.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_genocides

You could demand your government quit funding what they’re doing themselves kills people too… but I don’t see you doing that.

Did you demand they stop funding attacks after the half million middle eastern civilians were killed by allied forces during the invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq?

Do you demand they stop funding Ukraine because it’s now invading Russia? The government is even thinking of now approving even more use of US military aid and technologies to hit further into Russia.

Yes it does.

It’s why the US killed a half million middle eastern people after 9/11

It’s why people are praising Ukraine for invading Russia back

It’s why nobody cries about all the dead Nazi’s

Retaliation is very frequently justified, even when the level of killing amounts to hundreds of thousands or even millions of people.

It’s right there in every single history book you’ve ever read, over and over and over and over.

When was the last time you posted about the other genocides going on? Do you even know which ones I’m talking about?

Or are you just following the social context around the Israel-Palestine conflict and ignoring the fact that there are multiple other major genocides occurring right now? One of them has had a few hundred thousand kids forcibly separated from their parents and sent to special boarding schools, the other is at almost a half million deaths, both dwarfing the scale of the Israeli-Palestine conflict by almost an order of magnitude.

How about them? Where’s the university protests? Where’s the demands for divestment? You haven’t even made a single comment or post about any of them from what I can see.

Nah, this one is the fad genocide to be all upset about right now.

I think you may have got your order muddled up.

“supported JD Vance”

“I understood how a single statement he made might make sense”

These two things are the same to you?

Even Hitler had a few good policies, and I sure as hell don’t support him.

The IDF wouldn’t have said anything when they found the documents if they benefit from it not being known.

The IDF can’t be trusted to tell you the sky is blue. Even if I support Israel’s right to fight I’m well aware of how they operate from a propaganda standpoint.

They even say they don’t think the Pollsters were working with Hamas, but that Hamas was somehow clandestinely changing the results anyways. Suuure they are. The group that can barely function is somehow tampering with the results of the polls without the pollster noticing.

“The IDF said the documents do not prove that PCPSR was cooperating with Hamas, but rather that the terror group was conducting clandestine actions to fraudulently influence the results of the polls.”

All the IDF says is “we found confidential documents that show they changed the numbers,” do you know how easy that would be to fake?

You vote… great. You realize there’s more options than just voting right?

Am I personally making an effort to stop every bad thing my Canadian government is doing? I’m not sure, I don’t see any bad things they’re doing at the moment (including supporting Israel) despite the government being made up of people that I didn’t even vote for.

I don’t see a lot of things that they do as bad, I understand in that most of the things people get mad at them for aren’t really their fault (inflation), are necessary even though they upset a lot of people (immigration), are simply due to the limits of finite resources (healthcare), or are limits based on how our electoral system works and who’s voting (house inflation).

Do I encourage them to do better? Yes. I vote (lol) but I also regularly communicate with my provincial and federal representatives, and I participate in various activities to influence and affect the policies they implement.

The Muslim population isn’t a single voting bloc, and a good chunk are still voting Democrat.

On the flip side, the Jewish population is almost twice the size of the Muslim population, so pissing them off is probably worse.

1.34% of the American population, the third largest religion in the US behind Christianity and Judaism.

I’m also going to point out that voting based on what’s happening to people who share your religion in a foreign country is a TERRIBLE idea. If you make that your voting priority, it will bite you in the face in other aspects of your life because someone will exploit you for their own ends. The same is pretty much true for any single issue voter.

We’re all free to be stupid, but it probably won’t end well.

“it’s not my fault my country killed a half million civilians, I can’t do anything about it.” -You

“I demand my government force another country to stop killing civilians immediately” -Also you

You seriously don’t see the problem with the way you’re thinking?

Why the fuck would I support American political candidates as a non-American? Just because plenty of people are stupid, doesn’t mean I need to be as well. Plenty of people think that most Palestinian civilians are innocent, but it doesn’t make it true.

Wiping out entire cities is equivalent to a hate crime?

You’re delusional.

Jews were literally second class citizens under ottoman rule. They had fewer rights by law.

First off, I’m not even American so I don’t support Vance or any other American politician.

Secondly, you support the American government, which killed around half a million middle eastern civilians in retaliation for 9/11.

Thirdly, if Israel was trying to wipe out Palestinians they’re doing an absolute shit job of it. They’re barely killing them faster than the birth rate and it would take centuries to wipe them out at the current rate.

Finally, no you can’t say you support Palestinians and ignore what they stand for. You either don’t actually support Palestinians, or you support their war. Say you support not killing instead, and drop the Palestinian conditional.

Not false, not propaganda.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1517_Safed_attacks https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1834_looting_of_Safed

Israel went to war because they were invaded by 5 other countries who weren’t happy with the lines the UN agreed upon.

This fight wasn’t just inevitable, it’s been an ongoing fight for thousands of years, Arabs have been attacking Jewish people for literally thousands of years in that region.

When the Ottoman empire collapsed because they supported the wrong side in the war, the victors got to decide what happened with it. You don’t get to lose a war, then just go back to peaceful enjoyment of your land like nothing happened. Wars have consequences. Maybe Palestinians should have done something about that before allowing their country to join world war one.

Even Germany lost land to it’s neighbors during the wars. I don’t see anyone here complaining about that land being colonized.

How exactly do you “colonize” a region that your ancestors been on for 2000+ years?

Remember, the first massive waves of Jewish people moving to Israel literally came there from concentration camps, refugee camps, and other displaced locations because of what happened around the world wars.

Of course it was a settler project, around 6 million Jewish people were killed in the holocaust, you think they all wanted to move back in next to the neighbors that had ratted them out to the government? They got absolutely fucked, and the UN had given them their ancestral homeland back when it broke up the country that had been in that region and lost in the great war.