They could have done the return with Snoke. But noo, we need to fuck up the long established canon by adding in old characters. We can’t explain how they survived so let’s say “somehow they did”.
Did they not show a cloning facility that was constructing bodies for him? And have we not seen that force users consciousness survive after death? And wasn’t there a whole setup for his consciousness to be transferred into a new body through some dark side ritual? It wasn’t a great explanation but it was sufficient. I’m confused about why people think this was entirely left out. That one line of dialogue is bad but just because those characters don’t have an explanation doesn’t mean we as the audience do not. We do!
The “somehow he returned” betrays bad writing. Palpatine returning invalidates movies 1 - 6, Anakin’s redemption, Luke’s journey. It invalidates “I am your father” completely because who cares that Vader is his father when ultimately he does jack shit by sacrificing himself to kill one of many Palpatine’s bodies. Suddenly the story stops being Anakin is the chosen one, it starts being “let’s do this again ahyuk”
That’s a good question because the clone army based on Jango Fett shows that cloning tech is basically perfected in this universe. But the conditions were less than perfect in Palpatine’s case. Jango Fett was there in the facility, young and healthy and giving fresh blood samples daily. Palpatine died unexpectedly, was already old, and they might have had to clone him from whatever they could find, like the smell of his farts on his throne cushion or whatever. Cloning is copying so source fidelity matters.
You’d think he would have kept some younger clones around, just in case. But then, he also was sure that Luke would join him and Anakin wouldn’t betray him even though that’s literally how the Sith work.
I didn’t mind the idea of Snoke. A power vacuum means someone else moves in. He didn’t even have to be the rumored Plagueis, just someone connected or whatever. Create a new lore that makes sense.
But then he just died. Not even in a fight, but through arrogant ignorance. He could see Kylo’s thoughts before, but somehow missed that he was being played? Stupid writing. I’m actually still a fan of TFA, and will defend what it was trying to do, but the other two movies can rot.
Killing Snoke was the right move. Nobody needed a lame Palpatine ripoff, focusing the story on the characters that actually matter (Rey/Kylo) was the right decision. The problem was that the third movie needed to build on this idea, and on the other major idea that TLJ introduced (that the war was started by weapons manufacturers for profit), not completely throw them out the window and start over from scratch.
I maintain that killing Snoke as a red herring could be fine, too. I find a tragically irredeemable Kylo Ren to be much more interesting than tall skinny emperor anyway. But even if one didn’t like TLJ, TROS was almost the worst possible way to follow it up. It satisfied no one.
I was convinced that they were setting up Kylo as the big bad, I can’t think of the last time Star Wars had a tragic, irredeemable villain. It could have worked really well.
I like what they were going for in TFA with kind of an inverse Luke Skywalker, where he was struggling with the “pull” to the Light, before fully committing himself by killing his Master in TLJ. Then whatever the fuck TROS was happened and none of that really worked anymore.
George fumbled the ball hard with the prequels and its never quite been picked back up since. In the 90s, the original cast was all the perfect age to reprise their roles with something like an adaptation of the Thrawn trilogy. It would have been such a fucking slam dunk but instead we got the Prequels and Star Wars hasn’t had a good movie since 1983.
Extended universes always have some really bizzare power creep / weird situations happening. The authors need to one up each other and think of stupider stuff with every book.
They could have done the return with Snoke. But noo, we need to fuck up the long established canon by adding in old characters. We can’t explain how they survived so let’s say “somehow they did”.
Did they not show a cloning facility that was constructing bodies for him? And have we not seen that force users consciousness survive after death? And wasn’t there a whole setup for his consciousness to be transferred into a new body through some dark side ritual? It wasn’t a great explanation but it was sufficient. I’m confused about why people think this was entirely left out. That one line of dialogue is bad but just because those characters don’t have an explanation doesn’t mean we as the audience do not. We do!
The “somehow he returned” betrays bad writing. Palpatine returning invalidates movies 1 - 6, Anakin’s redemption, Luke’s journey. It invalidates “I am your father” completely because who cares that Vader is his father when ultimately he does jack shit by sacrificing himself to kill one of many Palpatine’s bodies. Suddenly the story stops being Anakin is the chosen one, it starts being “let’s do this again ahyuk”
And if that wasn’t enough, they end what they call the Skywalker Saga with all Skywalkers dead and a Palpatine claiming their name and heritage.
Oh it’s a shitty story no doubt.
I’m just arguing against this nothing that Palpatine was put back on the screen with zero explanation of how he returned from the dead.
It’s been a while since I’ve seen it, but why was the body he was in all rotting and gross if he had freshly cloned bodies to use?
That’s a good question because the clone army based on Jango Fett shows that cloning tech is basically perfected in this universe. But the conditions were less than perfect in Palpatine’s case. Jango Fett was there in the facility, young and healthy and giving fresh blood samples daily. Palpatine died unexpectedly, was already old, and they might have had to clone him from whatever they could find, like the smell of his farts on his throne cushion or whatever. Cloning is copying so source fidelity matters.
You’d think he would have kept some younger clones around, just in case. But then, he also was sure that Luke would join him and Anakin wouldn’t betray him even though that’s literally how the Sith work.
I didn’t mind the idea of Snoke. A power vacuum means someone else moves in. He didn’t even have to be the rumored Plagueis, just someone connected or whatever. Create a new lore that makes sense.
But then he just died. Not even in a fight, but through arrogant ignorance. He could see Kylo’s thoughts before, but somehow missed that he was being played? Stupid writing. I’m actually still a fan of TFA, and will defend what it was trying to do, but the other two movies can rot.
Killing Snoke was the right move. Nobody needed a lame Palpatine ripoff, focusing the story on the characters that actually matter (Rey/Kylo) was the right decision. The problem was that the third movie needed to build on this idea, and on the other major idea that TLJ introduced (that the war was started by weapons manufacturers for profit), not completely throw them out the window and start over from scratch.
I maintain that killing Snoke as a red herring could be fine, too. I find a tragically irredeemable Kylo Ren to be much more interesting than tall skinny emperor anyway. But even if one didn’t like TLJ, TROS was almost the worst possible way to follow it up. It satisfied no one.
I was convinced that they were setting up Kylo as the big bad, I can’t think of the last time Star Wars had a tragic, irredeemable villain. It could have worked really well.
I like what they were going for in TFA with kind of an inverse Luke Skywalker, where he was struggling with the “pull” to the Light, before fully committing himself by killing his Master in TLJ. Then whatever the fuck TROS was happened and none of that really worked anymore.
The return of Sidious was already just okay in the EU. To bring it in to the mainline sequels? Bruh. Where are my Yuuzhan Vong?
Always found it crazy that of all the stories they could have taken inspiration from they chose one of the few that was panned on release
George fumbled the ball hard with the prequels and its never quite been picked back up since. In the 90s, the original cast was all the perfect age to reprise their roles with something like an adaptation of the Thrawn trilogy. It would have been such a fucking slam dunk but instead we got the Prequels and Star Wars hasn’t had a good movie since 1983.
Revenge of the Sith is one of my favorite movies of all time
One of my favorite places to eat is Alberto’s, that doesn’t make it good.
Okay but like Revenge of the sith because I thought it was good.
I like Maximum Overdrive because it’s not good.
Adam Sandler movies are a guilty pleasure
Extended universes always have some really bizzare power creep / weird situations happening. The authors need to one up each other and think of stupider stuff with every book.
Yeah, we went through that ocean of good and bad and they chose the bad parts.