• cogman@lemmy.world
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    4 hours ago

    This is a welcome change to biden’s approach of weakly talking about how abortion is a necessary evil.

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    It is very depressing that millions of Americans are fine with women dying because terrified doctors who don’t want to go to prison will not help them. It is stunning.

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      4 hours ago

      It sounds like you are blaming the doctors. Don’t blame the doctors.

      Blame the lawmakers and the attorney generals.

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          It would be more accurate to say that women are dying because the law blocks doctors from performing necessary procedures. You statement of the facts includes an unfair implication that the doctors have a realistic choice in the matter. This is not the doctors’ fault.

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            Oh, so you want me to be more percise. Ok

            I haven’t seen one instance of a doctor saying “Fuck it, I’m going to save this woman’s life because that’s where my moral compass is. Come and get me.” Instead, they hide behind the health care industry, the insurance industry and state lawmakers who could never hold a medical degree.

            As far as I’m concerned the whole batch has the integrity of a slug. But, worst of all are all those citizens who, like them, could give two shits if a woman lives or dies. We seem to want to drum up a lot of sympathy in this country for people thousands of miles away, but not so much for the woman bleeding out in the parking lot of a hospital.

            How’s that

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              Can’t wait to read your rant on cashiers not giving away food or hotel attendants not giving out rooms to homeless people or all of the selfish fucks (present 🤚) that don’t donate blood regularly and aren’t organ donors.

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                I doubt I would ever rant about a person not being able to scan a barcode. A person bleeding out is another matter.

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              A doctor or hospital gets to make the choice to save the life once. Once they make that call, it’s jail time, loss of license, and financial ruin.

              What doctors are doing is leaving the states with these laws. In my state, hospitals are closing down their OBGYN units because they simply can’t find doctors that will work there.

              Like, I’m sorry, I don’t expect someone to destroy their lives and family lives for a patient. Further, the jail time also hurts patients they can help with non-abortion related medical issues. These doctors taking principled stances will not impact the law makers or their constituents who pushed for the laws. The rabid anti-abortion terrorists literally celebrate the murders of doctors that have performed abortions.

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                It doesn’t take a specialist to treat a woman bleeding out. Any ER doc should be able to do that.

                And yes, maybe it would destroy a career. But, on the other hand the woman dies.

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                  And how many other patients end up dying because there are no doctors staffing the ER? What happens to a community if the state government shuts down a hospital because of repeated violations of their abortion law?

                  That’s why your blame make no sense. While I’d certainly congratulate any doctor brave enough to be arrested over the law, I understand completely why they don’t and would not expect any doctor to.

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              This is a really strange take. If one of those cowardly doctors does what you suggest, and they lose the ability to practice medicine, what happens to all those patients they could’ve treated in the future? Should the next patient die without treatment because the doctor decided to risk it?

              No, doctors are most certainly not the problem here. And what a weird group to target.

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                I didn’t say doctors were the problem. We all know what the problem is.

                A doctor is supposed to treat what.is in front of them, and that’s obviously not what’s happening.