People not voting for Harris because of Gaza need to avoid watching the debate, otherwise they’ll change their minds. No matter how bad things are, they can get worse.
Still not voting for genocide.
If things get worse, we’ll just have to do something other than vote won’t we?
If you don’t want to vote for genocide you need to move to a different country, because that’s never gonna change
I’m right where I need to be. 😉
Genocide isn’t on the ballet
It is if you don’t vote for the two genocidal candidates. There are non genocidal choices, even if they’re just protest votes.
Don’t cut off your nose to spite your face.
Don’t support genocide.
“Still not voting for genocide”
You say as you side with Hamas who openly calls for the genocide of the Jewish race.
They don’t do that these days, and all the people that did are dead at this point. The lifespan for Palestinians is pretty short.
What, are you gonna be on the front lines with your guns shooting? The overwhelming majority of people with this mindset have never held a firearm in their entire lives and have no idea what they’re even talking about. What are you even insinuating here? Is your end goal that we burn the entire country down because “wahhhhh both sides aren’t perfect”? Grow up, only children refuse to see greater good through compromise because they can’t see past not getting what they want. Single issue voters love to stick their head in the sand and pretend the one issue that they’re whinging about is the most important in the world.
Have fun standing on your “genocide” comment when you’re in a fascist dictatorship run by nazis. “but but but the genocide wah”
I’m insinuating that we can become ungovernable and force the government to capitulate to our demands. Mass protest, general strike, public disruptions, boycott, we have options to fight back.
Instead of just voting every couple years.
But instead you’ll do nothing, and feel smug about it.
I donate to bail funds and support resistance groups financially, because I live in the middle of fucking nowhere and there aren’t protests for me to join.
Start one then if you feel that strongly about what’s going on in Gaza
How many hours have you volunteered for Harris? Don’t you want to stop Trump?
So you support genocide because you live “nowhere”? OK.
Yeah I’m pretty pathetic - I’m doing as much to stop genocide as you are to stop Trump lol
You’re organizing those things, or at least joining others who are organizing, right?
As much as we can, plus financial support.
But I’m not going to organize a protest in a rural cornfield lol
So you support genocide because you live in a cornfield? Cool.
It’s not like you’re out there fucking volunteering for Harris anyway. Do you want Trump to win??? 🙄
Over people dying in another country? And not for important things like disenfranchising and taxes?
Yikes. Genocide is pretty fucking important.
Important, but not to the level of civil disobedience like when we protested police abuse and systemic racism. Like a 4/10 judging by people’s actions.
2023 was the most deadly year for police shootings. Systemic racism and police abuse didn’t go away. Yet, no one is in the street.
Why do you think that is?
Why not both?
Go ahead.
But I’m not voting for genocide. I’d rather die.
Hey guess what? Fascists dont give a fuck about that shit, youll end up in a puddle of your own blood cause ya wont have the numbers. If it didnt work out for the fighters at Blair mountain a hundred year ago what makes ya think youll achieve anything.
Fuck ya’d have a better chance doing random acts of terrorism that put the fucken IRA to shame. Still probably end up in a ditch but you could probably kill some of the ones trying to kill you.
If you actually believed this sky is falling bullshit you’d be doing a hell of a lot more than voting. Do you even own a gun? lol
EDIT sorry don’t answer that. What I mean I, I doubt you own a gun because you do not believe you’d ever need one, because you do not believe fascism is actually coming. This is all rhetoric.
Fuck ya’d have a better chance doing random acts of terrorism that put the fucken IRA to shame. Still probably end up in a ditch but you could probably kill some of the ones trying to kill you.
We don’t talk about that on Lemmy.
You first.
That’s… Not how it works?
We do it together…
Democracy exist so we don’t have to reach that point, please, go vote.
Democracy exist
Half the presidents in my lifetime lost the popular vote.
Guess you’re not voting then.
I was going to write in Aaron Bushnell for President but I think I’ll vote PSL
Did she? I listened to the debate and she sounded mid for most of it. She spent more time attacking Trump than she did answering the questions she was asked.
Sure, she fared better than her predecessor, but “not shitting her pants” is a low bar. Trump was definitely worse than her, but again, if the bar is “don’t act butthurt when your opponent says your rallies are boring”, then congrats, I guess.
Reading comments from both sides, it seems that the left sees her not being geriatric as a win; and the right thinks that Trump was unjustly treated (targeted questions, live fact-checking, etc…), which is absurd considering that (a) they also asked Harris difficult questions (fracking and Israel, for example, which she did have a hard time answering), and (b) he was given free reign to talk out of order more times than I can count.
I think Harris “won” because Trump sucked. He sidestepped questions regarding an abortion ban (“I haven’t talked with JD about it” fucking lol) and Ukraine (“Do you want Ukraine to win the war?” “I want the war stopped” TWICE in a row, followed by “I know Putin really well” and a rant about the awesomeness of Victor Orban); he repeatedly told lies (post-birth abortion and pets-eating immigrants being the highlight) which were promptly caught by the live fact-checker, and even showed weakness and undecisiveness (“do you have a plan?” “I have concepts of a plan”).
But those are blunders that Trump committed, not something that Harris should take credit for. Nothing I heard screamed of “masterclass” debate, and I doubt that it will give her an edge in the upcoming elections or sway electors one way or the other. After all, the people who lived under four years of Trump’s presidency and watched January 6th unfold live, and still call themselves “undecided” are pretty much lying to themselves at this point.
Enlightened centrist bullshit
For fuck’s sake, y’all should stop this “enlightened centrist” bullshit whenever someone is slightly critical of the leftist candidate.
Trump sucks. It’s incredible that he’s even allowed to be a candidate for presidency after the shit he’s done. He’s dangerous for the US and dangerous for the democracy of the entire world. If there’s some justice left in the US system, he will lose the elections and he will pay for his crimes.
Not liking Harris’ speech doesn’t make me an “enlightened centrist”. It just means that I don’t think her words were strong enough, or bold enough, to win her new voters, which should be the point of the presidential debate. I think she won because Trump’s ineptitude will bleed him some voters, but I’m not willing to credit that to Harris’ speech skills.
Kamala Harris is not a leftist.
This is sealioning
This is a leftist being extremely fucking mad that liberals are wrapping themselves in our colors and calling themselves “left” and “progressive” and shit.
Nope.
Trump fans don’t care.
Harris fans saw confirmation.
Disinterested voters didn’t watch.…and a news media that desperately needs a horse race for clicks will continue to hold Harris to a higher standard than the orange Mr. Magoo.
Really love how y’all have morphed into claiming the lying fake news media is out to get your candidate.
Fox News poll, right after the debate.
Boomertown.
Fox is conservative STATE propaganda. No different to Russian or North Korean state propaganda. Regardless of the blatant bias, there is literally nothing stopping them from manufacturing this “poll” out of thin air.
Fox isn’t state media. I dislike the mendacious fuckers as much as the next guy but let’s try and stick to facts.
The US has very few state media organizations. Voice of America is one. Radio Free Europe is another.
Fox is an independent organization, if they were state media the Biden admin would have control of their news. That obviously isn’t the case.
The US is a dictatorship of the bourgeoisie and Fox is one of its propaganda arms.
It’s not state propaganda because the state, itself, is subordinate.
You mean oligarchy, not a dictatorship, because a group of people hold power instead of one individual.
A dictatorship isn’t always ruled by a single leader, it can be ruled by a group of leaders. In fact, in practice, every stable dictatorship is ruled by a clique rather than just a single dictator.
